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New Super Mario Bros.

Post by Zeor » Thu Sep 07, 2006 9:31 am

Yes, a new Mario topic!

Seems you get differing reviews on it, but I think it's a GREAT, nostalgic throwback to the good ol' NES and SNES days. There were more than a couple of spots where I was thrown into reminiscing about those days of old by the very retro level design, and all the old sound effects really added to it as well. My biggest gripe about the game is that it's a bit on the short side. Oh well, it's great fun anyway.
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but..

Post by Bring back frog » Thu Sep 07, 2006 12:59 pm

yeah i thought it was dissointing,
am a huge nintendo fan (in fact its the only consols i buy)
and i don't normaly stress nintendo games but i think
the new super mario bros wasent very good at all, i
even regrate buying it (and i normaly never regrate buying any game).

am sorry to all those who like the game but i think nintendo should
of never made it.
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Post by AndrewTaylor » Sun Oct 15, 2006 5:40 pm

This thread once again supports my theory that the best-spelt opinion is usually the best one to listen to.

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Post by Bring back frog » Mon Oct 23, 2006 12:59 pm

everyone has an opinion but come on, it wasent very good..
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Post by worMatty » Mon Oct 23, 2006 4:40 pm

"I respect everyone's opinions, though you must admit they're wrong."

Since an opinion is mainly a person's preference, albeit with many considerations made, they aren't absolutely right or wrong.

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Post by bucky o'hare » Mon Oct 23, 2006 9:13 pm

I thought it was pretty fun, but I don't own it. Maybe i'll get it eventually.

I'm looking forward to the new yoshi's island very much.

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Post by K^2 » Tue Oct 24, 2006 2:12 am

worMatty wrote:"I respect everyone's opinions, though you must admit they're wrong."

Since an opinion is mainly a person's preference, albeit with many considerations made, they aren't absolutely right or wrong.
But he does not argue against someone's oppinion. He argues that the game is bad, as a fact, while allowing for an oppinion of the opposite to exist. Part of allowing freedom of thought is allowing oppinions that are factually inconsistent. His responce is in no violatioin of that.

Furthermore, it does not even matter if his statement of the game being bad as a fact is well argumented or not. Any argument for or against the quality of the game would ultimately have to hinge on some number of oppinions that each person may or may not recognize as facts. This means that solid fact for one person, would only be recognized as an oppinion by another. And still, his post is in no violation of that, because the very statement that, "everyone has an opinion but come on, it wasent very good," is an oppinion in itself, and anything that is stated as a fact in such an oppinion must be considered as an oppinion of the author of the statement on the arguments that support the said fact, making that fact an oppinion to anyone excluding the author.

With all that in mind, his statment translates into, "I hold an oppinion that the game is bad as a matter of fact, but, recognizing it as an oppinion in itself, I will allow other people to have oppinions that disagree with it." It's hard to argue with such statement.

P.S. I am not even sure what game the discussion is about, much less whether it's actually any good.
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Post by Bring back frog » Tue Oct 24, 2006 9:39 am

ok.. ive made people upset by my opinion, am sorry but
i prefered the classics much more than this new one..
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Post by AndrewTaylor » Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:40 pm

K^2 wrote:Part of allowing freedom of thought is allowing oppinions that are factually inconsistent.
I don't see why. Things that are internally inconsistent are by definition wrong, so I for one would rather not be expected to "respect" such opinions.

I mean, I'm quite happy for people to think things that I disagree with, but when people think things that they themselves disagree with if you phrase the question differently, surely that just shows they've not thought things through properly?

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Post by K^2 » Tue Oct 24, 2006 7:11 pm

But that's the problem. You can't prove that they are factually inconsistent. They might not match with what you think are facts, but that doesn't necessaraly mean that there is any contradiction in another person's oppinion. Any logical argument has to be based on some set of axioms. There are some axioms that we can all pretty much agree on, at least for the sake of argument. Things, like, what we can see and touch is real. That in itself is not a fact, just consider all the crazy people, but we all presume it, because otherwise we have nothing to base our arguments on. The problem is that besides these, everyone's head is filled with a bunch of "axioms" that are somehow based on their own beliefs, experiences, etc, and are often fundamentally different from anybody else's. That causes a problem, because technically speaking, these are no more unprovable than any other axiom, and therefore, you must accept that person's right in believing in these without any reason. It's only when person's axioms are self-contradicting, that is when you have a right to argue that their beliefs are "incorrect". Of course, just like with any set of axioms, the contradictions can be quiet difficult to spot, and can go unnoticed for a very long time.
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Post by worMatty » Tue Oct 24, 2006 8:33 pm

You didn't upset anyone with your opinion, 'frog, I just thought it was strange how you said 'Everyone has their own opinion but come on, the game is still crap'. Looks to me like you're saying everyone else is wrong.

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